In this frank and delightful talk, Mani and Eruch begin by clarifying some wording in the New Life Song. They also make it clear the song is “nothing but… the points that He gave…for people who want to join Him in the New Life. The song is composed of His orders,” Eruch says.

Mani and Eruch go on to share their delight in the freedom they felt at the time, being only bound to Baba. Mani also clarifies the real meaning of the word: “We have such a distorted meaning…: license, liberty, freedom – we think it means we’re able to do what we like, do what what we want, then it’s freedom, but not so.”

They also share some humorous stories, including the one about the time she and Mehera refused a ride because they were on pilgrimage, only to have Baba quickly put their “pride” into perspective. “Pride in a goodly thing is worse than any other kind of pride, I know it!” Mani says.

Audio, 19:21
Mandali Hall, Meherazad
August 2, 1990
Courtesy of Mandali Hall Talks
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